“Former MDC Alliance and the Citizens Coalition for Change Organizing Secretary Amos Chibaya has claimed that Zimbabweans do not follow political parties but people,” reported Bulawayo 24.
"Look at the 2023 elections, there is no MP or Councillor who had more votes than Chamisa that tells you what, people in Zimbabwe do not follow a party name but the one who was anointed by God, whether the party is called Mandebvu, Mberikunashe or Mberihakunashe, they follow their leader.
"The reason why Chamisa got more votes than yours, it's because people want Chamisa and they would simply vote for you because they would have been given three ballot papers and could ignore the MP and Councilor. The evidence is there, let's go for by-election without him and see," said Chibaya.
He went on to say Chamisa had managed to stop Zanu-PF from getting a majority in parliament but some renegades were reaping what they didn't sow and gave Zanu-PF two-thirds in parliament.
Of course, Chibaya is right people are blindly following wherever Chamisa lead them. This is typical where the followers have no clue what is going on and so give up their right to think for themselves and to hold the leaders to account. This is what has undermined the nation’s hopes of building a healthy and functioning democratic nation.
The ancient Greek were right democracy - government of the people, by the people and for the people - is impossible unless the said people are educated, knowledgeable and are diligent in the duty of holding those in power to account. The Chamisa followers have none of these qualities. None!
Chamisa and company have failed to implement even one token reforms and hence the reason why Zanu PF has continued to blatantly rigged elections. Mugabe bribed the MDC leaders during the GNU and the forgot about the reforms. The Chamisa followers has failed to realise the blatant betrayal even now with the benefit of hindsight.
Chamisa conned his wildebeest herd followers to participate in last year’s elections, promising CCC would win big because he had “plugged all the Zanu PF vote rigging loop hopes.” Of course, he was lying.
The herd was warned repeatedly that Chamisa and company were hell bent on participating in the flawed elections out of greed and that participating would give Zanu PF legitimacy. The herd did not heed the warning because their minds are impermeable to reason and incapable of thinking for themselves.
'Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people,’ observed the great Greek Philosopher Socrates.
Amos Chibaya is right the average Zimbabwean is still stuck on hero worshiping mortal and not just an mortal but one who has already proven that he is corrupt, incompetent and utterly useless. The electorate should focus on ideas, policies and hold the leaders to account for failing to deliver of their promises.
No wonder Zimbabwe is a failed state and, with such a hopeless electorate and no change in the horizon, we are doomed to remain a failed state for generations!
34 comments:
@ Chakaipa
When you worship someone, he is untouchable. Worshipping a corrupt and incompetent Chamisa is insane! Chamisa is accountable - that is not negotiable!
@ Munyoro
How typical. I am the stupid one because I dared say the truth and you are the smart one for choosing to bury your head in Chamisa's backside. No wonder we are a failed state!
@ No Name
"Kkkkkk at it again @Wilbert Mukori
Pose paashaya nyaya anotanga kuvhumuka Chamisa."
That is rich coming from one who was conned into participating in the flawed elections with such idiotic claims as "I have plugged all the vote rigging loop holes. God is in it!" How anyone with even half a brain could be so gullible beggars belief!
No wonder you now hide you ID by only giving you number. You must know you are defending the indefensible and making a complete arse of yourself!
@ Murozvi
“We are a failed state because of Chamisa?. I take you a bit serious than this statement?. Deal with the real problem then you can start to deal nema deficiency e opposition differently.”
Has it ever occurred to you that Zimbabwe would be in a situation if MDC/CCC leaders had implemented the reforms and stopped Zanu PF rigging the elections?
@ Smash Boss
“Dzoka kuno uite yako party iwe ari nani arikurwisa aripo panewe wakatza.”
So you think forming another political party will be the solution? Zimbabwe had as many as 130 political parties at one point and yet we still remain a failed state.
@ Smash Boss
Was that why MDC/CCC have failed to implement even one reform in 23 years, because it "is not the duty of MDC/CCC alone to implement reforms?" Or is it because they were bribed and they are incompetent?
@ Chief Ndiweni
You have failed to comprehend what the reforms are and it is naive to expect you to understand how they are implemented. The tragedy for Zimbabwe is that a village idiot like you has the vote - it is like giving a loaded gun to a monkey and it is not surprising the nation is paying dearly for it!
@ Tavstan
Is supporting sell outs who failed to implement even one reform and have been participating in flawed elections to give vote rigging Zanu PF legitimacy and perpetuating the dictatorship A SOLUTION? You stupidity never cease to amaze me! How is it possible that anyone can be so shallow, thick and slow!
@ Superb
“Dai watopinda hako panyanga CDE the better than the CCC noisy makers!”
Even if Zimbabwe was to get an Albert Einstein genius of a political leader he/she will never get into power as long as we have an electorate that is so ignorant and naive they are easily conned into voting for the Zanu PF buffoons with chicken and chips. Or conned in participating in flawed elections to give Zanu PF legitimacy with such idiotic promises like “I have plugged all vote rigging loop holes.
Democracy demands an educated and knowledgeable electorate not this mob of village idiots who think Chamisa is an infallible demigod! And, worst of all they are out attacking anyone who trying ti educate them. You cannot reason with this lot, their brain has lot ossified into fat.
Hupenzi inyama yegakava!
@ King Solo
So you are angry that I am reminding you that you were conned by Chamisa but not angry that he DID indeed con you? You simpletons never cease to amaze me. You are angry you have been forced out of your comfort zone, with your head up Chamisa's backside!
The real tragedy for Zimbabwe is that there were many who were foolish enough to believe the lies then and many still believe the liar today. They believe him to be infallible demigod and the best foot forward for the nation. No wonder we are a failed state!
Mnangagwa a statesman with a vision.
Do not forget to mention he rigs elections and murders political opponents because he knows the people of Zimbabwe will never ever vote for him if elections were free, fair and credible! The number one task for Zimbabwe is to implement the reforms to ensure free, fair and credible elections! Should have been done and dusted if some idiots had not sold out!
@ Denny
“Why do you care when we don't care ? Who are you then to us ? What do you offer on table because you redeem us from something to something.”
I care because in you stupidity you are the one keeping buffoons and sell out like Mnangagwa and Chamisa in power. Zimbabwe is a failed state because we have ignorant and naive voters.
I am here to educate you and redeem you from a life time of stupidity and intellectual servitude.
@ Chisa
Zanu PF should have built Hwange Unit 7 and 8 and Batoka Gorge in the 1980s, they were given the feasibility reports in 1980. Mugabe squander US$ 3-4 billion on his Blue Roof mansion, now a white elephant.
The regime finally built Hwange Unit 7 and 8 last year, 40 years late, and makes a big song and dance about it. Typical!
What kind of investors would want to do business in a pariah state ruled by corrupt and vote rigging thugs? Whoever they are they must be pretty desperate, they could not get what they want anywhere else. Whatever they do, they will always keep an eye for a quick get away. They know they cannot trust the regime and so will cut their loose at the drop of a hat.
“Zimbabwe is open for business!” was a lead balloon that never took off. The only investors who flooded into the country and the Gold Mafia operators and the like. Only fools would believe any honest investors have seen anything to force them to change their minds!
Mnangagwa is a corrupt, incompetent and murderous thug, the godfather of all the wholesale looting in the country. He is set in his way and will not change. All those who invest in Zimbabwe are shrewd enough to know he is a ruthless thug and will see to it they have the last laugh. Matsotsi haagerani!
@ BaChipeneti
The facts still remains that:
i) MDC/CCC failed to implement even one reform in 23 years including 5 in the GNU to stop Zanu PF rigging the elections. Zanu PF blatantly rigged the 2023 elections because not even one reform was implemented.
ii) Chamisa and company have been participating in flawed elections knowing that doing so will give Zanu PF legitimacy out of greed.
iii) He needed village idiots like you to participate to get his reward of the few gravy train seats and so he lied about CCC winning big because he has plugged all the vote rigging loop holes. God is in it! And village idiots like you not only believed him but have been defending him even now when it is clear he lied.
iv) You keep wittering about CCC had to participate to stop other parties doing so. In 1978 Muzorewa and Sithole, had no supporters compared to Zanu and Zapu who boycotted, participated in Smith’s Internal Settlement and failed to give the charàde political legitimacy. Mwonzora, Madhuku and the other nine leaders garnered 6% of the votes last year. Only a dimwit like you would still maintain the 6% would have given Zanu PF legitimacy especially when both SADC and AU dismissed the election as flawed and illegal.
v) How anyone should consider Chamisa a infallible demigod, as you clearly do, in this day and age beggars belief. The idiot is corrupt and incompetent and, thanks to him selling out, we are still stuck with this corrupt and tyrannical Zanu PF regime.
vi) Zimbabwe is not going to get out of this mess as long as there are village idiots like you who will readily believe a corrupt and incompetent mortal like Chamisa is a demigod. Our curse is you have the vote and it it is like giving a loaded gun to monkey! The number one priority is to educate some of the village idiots whose brain has not completely ossified - you are beyond the pale!
@ BaChipeneti
“Did you try or implement one yourself is it oppositions s duty to implement them what are you doing about it yourself?????”
Zimbabwe has a population of 15 million name one reform that has ever been implemented by one private citizen? Reforms can only be implemented by elected public officials, dimwit!
Zimbabweans have risked livelihoods, limbs and even lives to elect MDC/CCC leaders into office on the understanding they would implement the reforms. After 23 years including 5 in the GNU Chamisa and company have failed to implement even one token reform.
You, me and everyone out there should be holding these leaders to account for selling out. And idiots like you are not only busy defending the sell outs but attacking those who are holding the sell outs to account. No wonder Zimbabwe is a failed state! We have too many village idiots and they have the vote!
@ Gesh
Chamisa has given up removing Zanu PF from power all he has been doing is making sure his supporters participate in flawed elections to give Zanu PF legitimacy and get his reward from the regime! With braindead supporters like BaChipeneti, conning them to participating is a piece of cake!
@ Marvis
“Akazama asi zvakatadza ndiye angazvigona zvake arione anetariro kuti maybe zvichaita.”
MDC/CCC have failed to implement even one reform in 23 years including 5 in the GNU. They were bribed with the trapping of high office and forgot about the reforms. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend they tried, a common intellectual fault.
“As a collective political leadership, we should have taken time to apply our minds to the existential question:
“What next after the GNU?”
We did not address this matter.
This was suicidal.” confessed Professor Arthur Mutambara in his Book In
Search of the Elusive Zimbabwean Dream, Volume III (Ideas & Solutions).
After 23 years with not even one reform in place it is dumb to still continue to pretend CCC leaders did nothing wrong but it is mortifying to go on trust them with the destiny of the nation. But such is the stupidity of some people! No wonder we are a failed state and doomed to remain so too!
@ BaChipeneti
“Are you not in that 15million if it is so you can go on asking your stupid questions.”
The question was rhetorical; private individuals do not implement reforms. But I can see that has only confused you even more!
I have known some really stupid people but must say you are one of the most foolish individual on earth. You wear your stupidity like a crown for all to see by opening your trap - you do not know when to shut it.
Chamisa and company are corrupt and incompetent your repeated attempts to prove that they are not or speaks volumes of your stupidity. It is a great pity that village idiots like you have the vote because it is your votes that have kept buffoons like Mnangagwa and Chamisa in power!
Well this is nothing else to be done other that hammer some sense into that cupcake of yours. I have a sludge hammer, just the tool for the job!
@ Smash Boss
“And who denied you access to contest so that people can vote for you and implement those reforms you are talking about?”
I believe the 2 million or so who voted for Chamisa last year, maybe yourself included, did so because they believed he had plugged all the vote rigging loop holes. If you believe the vote rigging loop holes have been plugged then you will not need to implement the reforms too.
The truth is Chamisa was lying, he had not plugged any vote rigging loop holes. Zimbabwe was going into the election without even something as basic as a verified voters’ roll, for Pete’s sake. What matters is 2 million village idiots out there BELIEVED Chamisa’s blatant lies. Worse still this was not the first time these idiots believed such lies.
The ancient Greeks were right democracy - government of the people, for the people and by the people - only works when the people are educate, knowledgeable and are diligent in holding those in power to account.
You are so dumb and stupid you believe anything! You do not even know what the reforms are, even now with all the benefit of hindsight, and hence the reason why you like the rest of the wildebeest herd were conned into believing CCC would win rigged elections!
If these voters were educated and knowledgeable, of course, they would vote for some one who would implement the reforms. The very fact that they have been voting for MDC/CCC leaders these last 23 years who have failed to implement even one token reforms speaks volumes of the calibre of the Zimbabwe electorate. (Not that you would notice such things - after all you share with them the same intellectual challenges!)
@ BaChipeneti
I told you before you should keep your trap shut because every time you open it you telling the world just how stupid you are.
You keep wittering about “form your own political party.” Are you saying Chamisa and company are free to do as they please because they formed their own political party? And Mnangagwa and company also free to do as they damn well please because they too formed their own political party?
Of course, the answer must be NO!
If you hold public office you ARE, per se, democratically accountable to the people whether you did so as an independent candidate or belong to a political party.
The people of Zimbabwe have risked all to elect Chamisa et al into power on the understanding they would implement the democratic changes to stop Zanu PF rigging the elections. After 23 years, including 5 in the GNU, they have failed to implement even one token reform. Of course, they must and will be held to account for such treasonous betrayal. The objections from village idiots like you, that they are a political party and thus untouchable, will be dismissed with the contempt it rightly deserve.
Village idiots like you should have never been given the vote. Give a monkey a loaded gun and look the mess we are in!
@ BaChipeneti
“Iriwooo duzvii iriii pakaiswaaa fence hapabiwee here even pane security hapabiwee here haiwaaa uriduzviii.”
Chamisa and company failed to implement even one token reform in 23 years, including 5 in the GNU and they have been participating in flawed elections to give Zanu PF legitimacy out of greed and breathtaking incompetence. So what “pane security” are you wittering about!
Man is supposed to be a creature of reason but this Chamisa Chete Chete personalty cult has reduced some of our people to morons. It explains why we are a failed state, we simply have more than our fair share of morons!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIeGQwddoQ
THERE WILL BE NO MEANINGFUL CHANGE IN ZIMBABWE UNTIL WE IMPLEMENT THE DEMOCRATIC REFORMS DESIGNED TO STOP ZANU PF RIGGING ELECTIONS. THIS IS A POLITICAL REAlITY WE MUST FACE AND DEAL WITH.
@ Godfrey
“Which reform would stop Zanu from rigging
We can’t say
Have a verified voters roll
No intimidation
Non partisan ZEC
No partisan Chiefs
No bribing judges
because we will be merely restating the already constituted which they are breaking willy-nilly.”
If the constitution was not weak and the implemented reforms equally weak and feeble then no one would be breaking them so “willy-nilly”!
The truth is Mugabe bribed Morgan Tsvangirai and his MDC/CCC friends with the trappings of high office so that they, in return, forgot about implementing the reforms. A few of the MDC leaders who were in the GNU have admitted this.
“As a collective political leadership, we should have taken time to apply our minds to the existential question:
“What next after the GNU?”
We did not address this matter.
This was suicidal.” confessed Professor Arthur Mutambara in his Book In
Search of the Elusive Zimbabwean Dream, Volume III (Ideas & Solutions).
There are some diehard MDC/CCC supporters who will never accept that their leaders sold out. Never ever! Some of them have no clue what the reforms are much less how they are supposed to be implemented. There is really no point in trying to convince these people that the 2013 constitution is weak and MDC leaders failed to implement even one token reform.
You can indulge these opposition hardcore supporters and answer the question “Which reforms can stop Zanu PF rigging the elections?” I for one will not even bother!
@ SFB
“There will be no meaningful change in Africa until we stop Euro-American imperialism!”
Zimbabwe is a failed state because we have a corrupt, incompetent and tyrannical Zanu PF dictatorship that has remained in power for 43 years because it rigged the elections. The nation many opportunities especially during the 2008 to 2013 GNU to implement the reforms and end the dictatorship. Alas! MDC/CCC leaders sold out and failed to implement even one token reform.
Zimbabwe has become the textbook case of a failed state because we, the blacks, have failed to govern ourselves. We have buffoon who do not not even know what constitute free, fair and credible elections and do not care about the tragic suffering and deaths of the fellow Zimbabweans. All they care about is absolute power and the wealth to brought them. They would rather burn the whole country than see anyone else rule it - such is the heartless resolve to maintain their iron grip on power at ALL COSTS!
Mnangagwa blatantly rigged 2023 elections, once again denying the ordinary people a meaningful say in the governance of the country. Both SADC, AU and even Zimbabwe’s own ZHRC election observers condemned the elections as flawed and illegal. What has the “Euro-American imperialism” to do with it??????
@ Bravo
“The biggest question is how do you stop it when it has levers of power?
Question mark ngaa?”
MDC leaders had the power to implement the reforms during the GNU when they even had SADC on their side. Why did they fail to implement even one token reform then?
Ever since since the GNU debacle, MDC/CCC leaders have been participating in flawed elections known fully well the process is flawed and that participating would only give Zanu PF legitimacy. Still they have participated because they also knew Zanu PF was giving away a few gravy train seats to entice the opposition to participate.
Nelson Chamisa even condescended to blatantly lying about plugging the vote rigging loop holes to con the ignorant, naive and gullible to participate and to justify why CCC was hell bent on participating and to hide the greed.
Last year CCC leaders still took up their gravy train seats even after SADC and AU had condemned the elections as flawed and illegal! It would have been foolish of SADC to deny Zanu PF legitimacy given that Zimbabweans themselves endorsed the elections in millions!
Chamisa and his opposition friends have given on reforms and stopping Zanu PF rigging elections. They have been running with the povo hare by day and hunting with the Zanu PF hounds by night. The question you should be asking is why is that Zimbabweans have failed to see that they are being conned even after 23 years of MDC/CCC without even one token reform to show for it?
And the question I am asking is What would it take wake Zimbabweans from their sloth-like mental slumber and stopping them from asking the obvious questions?
@ Public Admin
The issue here is Do ordinary Zimbabweans have a right to a meaningful say in the governance of the country? By rigging elections Zanu PF is denying povo their fundamental right and that is unacceptable!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYKvAHx3n2c
"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages," Adam Smith advised.
What advice would he give to us for we do not have butchers, brewers or bakers; we have corrupt, incompetent, murderous and vote rigging Zanu PF thugs aided and abetted by their corrupt and incompetent MDC/CCC side-kicks. There is not benevolence but malevolence and the ruling elite's self-love is absolute power and loot the nation blind!
“The National Electoral Reform Agenda (NERA) an amalgamation of several political parties formed around 2016 for the purpose of pushing the electoral reform agenda in Zimbabwe began like a house on fire with opposition stalwarts like Morgan Tsvangirai, Joyce Mujuru, Welshman Ncube, Dydimus Mutasa, Tendai Biti, Jacob Ngarivhume, Agrippa Mutambara, Matheus Guchutu just to mention but a few together with their political parties joining hands, thronging the streets calling for electoral reforms from the Robert Mugabe government.
As the 2018 general elections drew closer, Mugabe was ousted as the state President by his own people with the backing of NERA and the main opposition party, the MDCT.”
Zanu PF knew that all the parties in NERA would participate in the 2018 elections with not even one reform implemented just as the participated in the 2013 elections even with the SADC leaders asking them not to participate. Greed had the better of them as Coltart readily admitted.
“The (2013) electoral process was so flawed, so illegal, that the only logical step was to withdraw, which would compel SADC to hold Zanu PF to account. But such was the distrust between the MDC-T and MDC-N that neither could withdraw for fear that the other would remain in the elections, winning seats and giving the process credibility,” confessed David Coltart in his Book, The Struggle Continues 50 years of Tyranny in Zimbabwe.
All those who are in NERA right now will participate in the 2028 elections with no reforms implemented because they have participated in the past!
NERA is just something for these corrupt opposition leaders to do whilst they wait for the next elections! Only fools will fall for this nonsense!
“The National Electoral Reform Agenda (NERA) an amalgamation of several political parties formed around 2016 for the purpose of pushing the electoral reform agenda in Zimbabwe began like a house on fire with opposition stalwarts like Morgan Tsvangirai, Joyce Mujuru, Welshman Ncube, Dydimus Mutasa, Tendai Biti, Jacob Ngarivhume, Agrippa Mutambara, Matheus Guchutu just to mention but a few together with their political parties joining hands, thronging the streets calling for electoral reforms from the Robert Mugabe government.
As the 2018 general elections drew closer, Mugabe was ousted as the state President by his own people with the backing of NERA and the main opposition party, the MDCT.”
Zanu PF knew that all the parties in NERA would participate in the 2018 elections with not even one reform implemented just as the participated in the 2013 elections even with the SADC leaders asking them not to participate. Greed had the better of them as Coltart readily admitted.
“The (2013) electoral process was so flawed, so illegal, that the only logical step was to withdraw, which would compel SADC to hold Zanu PF to account. But such was the distrust between the MDC-T and MDC-N that neither could withdraw for fear that the other would remain in the elections, winning seats and giving the process credibility,” confessed David Coltart in his Book, The Struggle Continues 50 years of Tyranny in Zimbabwe.
All those who are in NERA right now will participate in the 2028 elections with no reforms implemented because they have participated in the past!
NERA is just something for these corrupt opposition leaders to do whilst they wait for the next elections! Only fools will fall for this nonsense!
Benjamin
Any discussion must be based on the facts and reality otherwise it is a waste of time. People were warned participating is futile and they refused to listen. The event have proven the warning was spot on and still they are refusing to accept they were wrong and are coming up with all manner of feeble excuses why it happened. Of course, it is pointless discussing the matter with some one like that!
@ BaChipeneti
“No most idiots like you are good in assassination of these trying while you are sitting on your back stand up n do what you think others have failed to do tione kana ukabuda nechunobatika.”
After 23 years including 5 in the GNU and Chamisa and company have not only failed to implement even one token reform but have been participating in flawed elections to give Zanu PF legitimacy and perpetuate the dictatorship. There are some who are easily conned into believing CCC are “still trying to end the dictatorship”. There others who are not so ignorant and gullible!
I would be ashamed of myself is I was ever to subscribe to the idiotic believe that a corrupt and incompetent idiot like Chamisa is an infallible demigod! And by the same token, will be equally ashamed is I was ever to allow myself to be bullies and bamboozled into silence by a nincompoop with an IQ of a slug!
The insanity of rigged elections and bad governance is an urgent and serious matter and it must be addressed with urgency and resolve the matter demands. Corrupt and incompetent politicians must be named and replaced and as for their nincompoop supporters they must be crashed like bugs since they will not shut up!
@ Gatsi
“You are and been very right bro for long hw do we start the implementation tiendeka mberi.”
Well you must first convince the electorate that the present system is NOT working and that is easier said than done. We have an electorate that is so ignorant and gullible they are easily conned and fooled. Chamisa conned them into participating in last year’s elections promising CCC would win big because he has plugged all the vote rigging loop holes. “God is in it!” And 2 million voters believed him.
It was all bullshit, of course! Chamisa had not even bothered to ensure there was a verified voters’ roll. He did not even deploy election agents at all Polling Stations even though he had the funding for it.
He knew Zanu PF was rigging the elections and that participating would give the regime legitimacy. He also knew the regime was offering a few gravy train seats to whoever in the the opposition would con the voters to participate to give the regime legitimacy. The lies were to justify why CCC were hell bent on participating and to hid the real reason for participating was greed.
After the rigged elections, the gullible voters did not even have the wit to ask Chamisa what happened. They are so dumb and stupid their blind devotion to him has even gone into overdrive! Those who have dare to point out that Chamisa is corrupt and incompetent have earn the wrath of the brain-dead mob! Such is the hostile and deluded electorate one must work with and convince Chamisa has failed and they need to elect competent opposition who will implement the reforms.
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