I am disappointed with people like Trevor Ncube. He has been in the media all his career and therefore knows that Zanu PF has denied the people of Zimbabwe freedom of expression and a free media. Mnangagwa has done nothing to end Zanu PF's iron grip on the media as we all known and saw during the recent elections. So where is Mnangagwa's sincerity in seeking change?
One gets the sickening feeling that Ncube going out of his way to support Mnangagwa, not because the latter has done anything to prove he is going to dismantle the corrupt and tyrannical Zanu PF dictatorship. If anything, Mnangagwa is doing everything in his dictatorial powers to consolidate the dictatorship. Ncube is supporting Mnangagwa out of selfish interest, to gain favours from the dictatorship.
"Mnangagwa is sincere about change!" Sure, just as he was sincere about holding free, fair and credible elections!
Actually both Zanu PF and MDC Alliance are being stupid in claim to have won. The election process was so flawed and illegal ZEC has failed to produce a verified voters' roll and many of the V11 forms with the vote count "disappeared"! It is no wonder the EU reported the the election result as "containing numerous errors, could not be traced or verified".
Both Zanu PF and MDC Alliance know the recent elections are flawed and illegal and a mockery to democracy; they do not care. All they are quarreling about is how the spoils of power are to be shared out. Give Chamisa a seat on the gravy train and he do and say whatever you ask him.
As for implementing the reforms, he is only saying that to please his naive and gullible followers. MDC failed to implement the reforms during the GNU, it is naive to expect them to do so now.
Mnangagwa should have offered Chamisa the post of "Opposition leader" as his British handlers had suggested. He did not because crocodiles are not exactly renowned for their quick thinking. He was very sluggish and slow before and after the elections. He took his time to warm up, basking in the sun.
Sadly for Mnangagwa by September all the election observer reports were out and they all condemned the elections as flawed and illegal. The cat was out of the bag and there was no putting it back. British, who had hoped to get the elections passed as acceptable, knew that would never happen now and gave up.
Mnangagwa can grant Chamisa his wish and give him a gravy train seat and in turn Chamisa can declare Mnangagwa the winner of the election so flawed no one knows who voted for him. This will not change the important fact that Zimbabwe has an illegitimate government! And as long as Zimbabwe remains a pariah state there will be no meaningful economic recovery.
@ Phunyuka “Shonas are responsible for creating ZANU as we know it today. This might not have been intentional, for the poor rank and file. But truth is; they were used and abused to build the ZANU monster. This is not the ZANU of Ndabaningi Sithole. ZANU went off the rails the moment Mugabe took over. From there on, it became an exclusively Shona political party, with a few non Shonas here and there for disguise. Please let's stop beating about the bush, pretending. Let's diagnose our problems properly. Zimbabwe's problems started in Mozambique. The moment you start pursuing a tribal agenda, as opposed to a national one, things fall apart. The only survivor in all this, is the "divide-and-rule" Politician, not the country!”
Zanu PF has been just as oppressive after the Zanu PF and PF Zapu unity accord. You keep drumming for the tribal divide and you will drag the nation into yet another blood bath. History will know it was people like you who started it!
“The writer is full of fatal assumptions. Zimbabwe is on the right path and Mnangagwa is the man to deliver that change. Others are just greedy morons who rejoice at the plight of the poor. Using poverty as keys to state house and state power.”
The single most important change Zimbabwe needs is democratic change to restore the individual freedoms and rights including the right to a meaningful vote and the right to life. How can Mnangagwa be delivering that democratic change by continuing to rig elections and and to kill innocent people?
“This is a shame if the writer states that our President Mnangagwa is illegitimate.
President Mnangagwa won the elections convincingly. Right now he is working together with the Government to develop the country. Our country is on economic recovery. Let us work together in this economic trajectory. Harsh speech on our elected Government will not build the nation. We need to unite and work together in harmony to build the Zimbabwe we all want.”
He won an election in which there was no verified voters' roll? ZEC failed to produce all the V11 forms because the commission knew it would never explain where some of them came from!
The economic meltdown is getting worse and worse as shown by the shortage of cash, forex, fuel, medicine, etc. You can insist that is proof of "economic recovery" if you wish that reality on the ground will not change.
Zimbabwe is now on the edge of serious social and political unrest brought on by the economic suffering and deaths. Mnangagwa and his junta must step down now and save the nation the consequences of further suffering, deaths and instability.
Zimbabwe can be spared the chaos of Libya or Iraq if Zanu PF steps down now. Mugabe was spare the bullet in the last coup, Mnangagwa will not be so lucky!
You have still not answered why Zanu PF has continued to be corrupt and tyrannical even after PF Zapu members joined. We can agree that the post 1987 Zanu PF was still as corrupt and tyrannical as before. What I am asking you is; Is the post 1987 Zanu PF still composed of Shonas only?
"Shonas supported Mugabe and ZANU in 1980 for selfishness. To date many still support them for the same selfish reasons." This is a nonsense argument! And whom did you support in 1980 and for what reasons? Whom did you want the Shonas to support in 1980 and for what reasons?
“Sometimes I wonder whether some people understand the working of elections at all. How did MDC win almost all urban centres if indeed Munangagwa had the capacity to rig elections. Do you think he did not need Hararre or Kwekwe his home town where the first woman opposition Mayor was sworn in recently.”
What you lack is imagination! Zanu PF needed to give away a few gravy train seats to entice the opposition to participate in these elections for the process to have some modicum of credibility. What good will it be to Zanu PF to win all the seats if all the opposition boycotted the elections.
For their part MDC Alliance members did not mind that Zanu PF rigged the elections as long as they get to win a few seats. David Coltart explained this in his book.
In his Book, The Struggle Continues 50 years of tyranny in Zimbabwe, former MDC – Ncube Senator and Minister of Education in the GNU, David Coltart, gave details of how Zanu PF flouted the electoral rules, it clear the upcoming 2013 elections would not be free and fair. Meanwhile talks of uniting the two MDC factions to fight the elections as one were going nowhere.
“The worst aspect for me about the failure to agree a coalition was that both MDCs couldn’t now do the obvious – withdraw from the elections,” explained Senator Coltart.
“The electoral process was so flawed, so illegal, that the only logical step was to withdraw, which would compel SADC to hold Zanu PF to account. But such was the distrust between the MDC-T and MDC-N that neither could withdraw for fear that the other would remain in the elections, winning seats and giving the process credibility.”
The trouble with some people is that they see but never perceive they ear and never understand. So what is obvious to some will remain a mystery to others.
Zanu PF blatantly rigged the recent elections, that is obvious to all with half a working brain!
“Further, the electoral commission lacked full independence and appeared to not always act in an impartial manner. The final results as announced by the Electoral Commission contained numerous errors and lacked adequate traceability, transparency and verifiability. Finally, the restrictions on political freedoms, the excessive use of force by security forces and abuses of human rights in the post-election period undermined the corresponding positive aspects during the pre-election campaign. As such, many aspects of the 2018 elections in Zimbabwe failed to meet international standards,” reported the EU.
ZEC’s failure to release the verified voters’ roll was a legal requirement. So if the process was illegal how can the result still be legal.
“You also seem to think that legitimacy is conferred by the losing candidate. By accepting to partake in the elections Chamisa legitimised the elections and the results do not change anything because there had to be a winner and loser,” you argue.
I have already told you to disregard what the MDC Alliance members say and do because they are corrupt and incompetent. If the election process is flawed and illegal Chamisa, Mnangagwa or anyone can say what they want that will not change the reality on the ground – the election will still be flawed and illegal!
Timothy, you are a man of simple intellect so simple that you cannot even comprehend a simple reality like you cannot have free, fair and credible elections when you cannot even produce something as basic as a verified voters’ roll. Of course, it is disappointing that someone should fail to get their heads round something so obvious but you clearly have failed to do so.
Poor, poor Zimbabwe with simpletons like you Timothy it is little wonder the country is in a real mess. Worse still, as long as you remain in your sloth-like slumber there is no hope the country getting out of this mess!
“Yes of course I do accept that. What I don't accept are the revisionist views that say ZANU was not like this right from day one in 1980 and before.
“This is why I say we should deal with the ZANU of Mugabe in Mozambique to be able to solve the Problems created by ZANU in 2018.
“I have never excused former PF ZAPU members, but I also refuse the exaggeration of their influence. Many of them are of no consequence in that Gukurahundi party. That is why they don't even speak their languages confidently in that party like the Shonas do with their Shona!”
If the Zapu members were the political angels you say they were before the Unity Accords of 1987 then why did they play their party in establishing and retaining the corrupt and murderous de facto Zanu PF dictatorship we have all known all these years?
I refuse to accept this nonsense that someone like Mnangagwa, for example, can claim to be innocent of what all the looting, vote rigging and murders committed by Zanu PF all these years on the grounds that he was not Robert Mugabe. Mnangagwa was a very senior member of Zanu PF and he played his part in the looting, vote rigging and murders and received his share of the absolute power and the wealth. If he did not approve what was going on why did he take his share of the loot and, worse still, play his part in the criminal and treasonous acts!
You have elected to surgically separate the Shonas from everyone else in Zanu PF for your selfish tribal purposes. Whilst every thinking Zimbabwean is concerned with ending the Zanu PF dictatorship and replacing it with a healthy and functional democracy you are interested in promoting tribal hatred. If Zimbabwe is dragged into tribal blood bath then we all know people like you stroked the fire of hatred!
This is crisis management at its worst! A few weeks ago government had to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get foreign currency to buy fuel. Today the regime is running around like a headless chicken to find cash to buy drugs! How long can this go on.
Zanu PF blatant rigged the 30 July 2018 elections landing the whole nation into this mess. The situation is not going to get better, instead it will get worse. The only way out is for the regime to step down now before matters get out of hand!
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I am disappointed with people like Trevor Ncube. He has been in the media all his career and therefore knows that Zanu PF has denied the people of Zimbabwe freedom of expression and a free media. Mnangagwa has done nothing to end Zanu PF's iron grip on the media as we all known and saw during the recent elections. So where is Mnangagwa's sincerity in seeking change?
One gets the sickening feeling that Ncube going out of his way to support Mnangagwa, not because the latter has done anything to prove he is going to dismantle the corrupt and tyrannical Zanu PF dictatorship. If anything, Mnangagwa is doing everything in his dictatorial powers to consolidate the dictatorship. Ncube is supporting Mnangagwa out of selfish interest, to gain favours from the dictatorship.
"Mnangagwa is sincere about change!" Sure, just as he was sincere about holding free, fair and credible elections!
@ Analysis
Actually both Zanu PF and MDC Alliance are being stupid in claim to have won. The election process was so flawed and illegal ZEC has failed to produce a verified voters' roll and many of the V11 forms with the vote count "disappeared"! It is no wonder the EU reported the the election result as "containing numerous errors, could not be traced or verified".
Both Zanu PF and MDC Alliance know the recent elections are flawed and illegal and a mockery to democracy; they do not care. All they are quarreling about is how the spoils of power are to be shared out. Give Chamisa a seat on the gravy train and he do and say whatever you ask him.
As for implementing the reforms, he is only saying that to please his naive and gullible followers. MDC failed to implement the reforms during the GNU, it is naive to expect them to do so now.
Mnangagwa should have offered Chamisa the post of "Opposition leader" as his British handlers had suggested. He did not because crocodiles are not exactly renowned for their quick thinking. He was very sluggish and slow before and after the elections. He took his time to warm up, basking in the sun.
Sadly for Mnangagwa by September all the election observer reports were out and they all condemned the elections as flawed and illegal. The cat was out of the bag and there was no putting it back. British, who had hoped to get the elections passed as acceptable, knew that would never happen now and gave up.
Mnangagwa can grant Chamisa his wish and give him a gravy train seat and in turn Chamisa can declare Mnangagwa the winner of the election so flawed no one knows who voted for him. This will not change the important fact that Zimbabwe has an illegitimate government! And as long as Zimbabwe remains a pariah state there will be no meaningful economic recovery.
@ Phunyuka
“Shonas are responsible for creating ZANU as we know it today. This might not have been intentional, for the poor rank and file. But truth is; they were used and abused to build the ZANU monster. This is not the ZANU of Ndabaningi Sithole. ZANU went off the rails the moment Mugabe took over. From there on, it became an exclusively Shona political party, with a few non Shonas here and there for disguise. Please let's stop beating about the bush, pretending. Let's diagnose our problems properly. Zimbabwe's problems started in Mozambique. The moment you start pursuing a tribal agenda, as opposed to a national one, things fall apart. The only survivor in all this, is the "divide-and-rule" Politician, not the country!”
Zanu PF has been just as oppressive after the Zanu PF and PF Zapu unity accord. You keep drumming for the tribal divide and you will drag the nation into yet another blood bath. History will know it was people like you who started it!
@ Douglas Shoko
“The writer is full of fatal assumptions. Zimbabwe is on the right path and Mnangagwa is the man to deliver that change. Others are just greedy morons who rejoice at the plight of the poor. Using poverty as keys to state house and state power.”
The single most important change Zimbabwe needs is democratic change to restore the individual freedoms and rights including the right to a meaningful vote and the right to life. How can Mnangagwa be delivering that democratic change by continuing to rig elections and and to kill innocent people?
@ Rudo
“This is a shame if the writer states that our President Mnangagwa is illegitimate.
President Mnangagwa won the elections convincingly. Right now he is working together with the Government to develop the country. Our country is on economic recovery. Let us work together in this economic trajectory. Harsh speech on our elected Government will not build the nation. We need to unite and work together in harmony to build the Zimbabwe we all want.”
He won an election in which there was no verified voters' roll? ZEC failed to produce all the V11 forms because the commission knew it would never explain where some of them came from!
The economic meltdown is getting worse and worse as shown by the shortage of cash, forex, fuel, medicine, etc. You can insist that is proof of "economic recovery" if you wish that reality on the ground will not change.
Zimbabwe is now on the edge of serious social and political unrest brought on by the economic suffering and deaths. Mnangagwa and his junta must step down now and save the nation the consequences of further suffering, deaths and instability.
Zimbabwe can be spared the chaos of Libya or Iraq if Zanu PF steps down now. Mugabe was spare the bullet in the last coup, Mnangagwa will not be so lucky!
@ Phunyuka
You have still not answered why Zanu PF has continued to be corrupt and tyrannical even after PF Zapu members joined. We can agree that the post 1987 Zanu PF was still as corrupt and tyrannical as before. What I am asking you is; Is the post 1987 Zanu PF still composed of Shonas only?
@ Phunyuka
"Shonas supported Mugabe and ZANU in 1980 for selfishness. To date many still support them for the same selfish reasons." This is a nonsense argument! And whom did you support in 1980 and for what reasons? Whom did you want the Shonas to support in 1980 and for what reasons?
@ Timothy
“Sometimes I wonder whether some people understand the working of elections at all. How did MDC win almost all urban centres if indeed Munangagwa had the capacity to rig elections. Do you think he did not need Hararre or Kwekwe his home town where the first woman opposition Mayor was sworn in recently.”
What you lack is imagination! Zanu PF needed to give away a few gravy train seats to entice the opposition to participate in these elections for the process to have some modicum of credibility. What good will it be to Zanu PF to win all the seats if all the opposition boycotted the elections.
For their part MDC Alliance members did not mind that Zanu PF rigged the elections as long as they get to win a few seats. David Coltart explained this in his book.
In his Book, The Struggle Continues 50 years of tyranny in Zimbabwe, former MDC – Ncube Senator and Minister of Education in the GNU, David Coltart, gave details of how Zanu PF flouted the electoral rules, it clear the upcoming 2013 elections would not be free and fair. Meanwhile talks of uniting the two MDC factions to fight the elections as one were going nowhere.
“The worst aspect for me about the failure to agree a coalition was that both MDCs couldn’t now do the obvious – withdraw from the elections,” explained Senator Coltart.
“The electoral process was so flawed, so illegal, that the only logical step was to withdraw, which would compel SADC to hold Zanu PF to account. But such was the distrust between the MDC-T and MDC-N that neither could withdraw for fear that the other would remain in the elections, winning seats and giving the process credibility.”
The trouble with some people is that they see but never perceive they ear and never understand. So what is obvious to some will remain a mystery to others.
Zanu PF blatantly rigged the recent elections, that is obvious to all with half a working brain!
@Timothy
“Further, the electoral commission lacked full independence and appeared to not always act in an impartial manner. The final results as announced by the Electoral Commission contained numerous errors and lacked adequate traceability, transparency and verifiability. Finally, the restrictions on political freedoms, the excessive use of force by security forces and abuses of human rights in the post-election period undermined the corresponding positive aspects during the pre-election campaign. As such, many aspects of the 2018 elections in Zimbabwe failed to meet international standards,” reported the EU.
ZEC’s failure to release the verified voters’ roll was a legal requirement. So if the process was illegal how can the result still be legal.
“You also seem to think that legitimacy is conferred by the losing candidate. By accepting to partake in the elections Chamisa legitimised the elections and the results do not change anything because there had to be a winner and loser,” you argue.
I have already told you to disregard what the MDC Alliance members say and do because they are corrupt and incompetent. If the election process is flawed and illegal Chamisa, Mnangagwa or anyone can say what they want that will not change the reality on the ground – the election will still be flawed and illegal!
Timothy, you are a man of simple intellect so simple that you cannot even comprehend a simple reality like you cannot have free, fair and credible elections when you cannot even produce something as basic as a verified voters’ roll. Of course, it is disappointing that someone should fail to get their heads round something so obvious but you clearly have failed to do so.
Poor, poor Zimbabwe with simpletons like you Timothy it is little wonder the country is in a real mess. Worse still, as long as you remain in your sloth-like slumber there is no hope the country getting out of this mess!
@ Phunyuka
“Yes of course I do accept that. What I don't accept are the revisionist views that say ZANU was not like this right from day one in 1980 and before.
“This is why I say we should deal with the ZANU of Mugabe in Mozambique to be able to solve the Problems created by ZANU in 2018.
“I have never excused former PF ZAPU members, but I also refuse the exaggeration of their influence. Many of them are of no consequence in that Gukurahundi party. That is why they don't even speak their languages confidently in that party like the Shonas do with their Shona!”
If the Zapu members were the political angels you say they were before the Unity Accords of 1987 then why did they play their party in establishing and retaining the corrupt and murderous de facto Zanu PF dictatorship we have all known all these years?
I refuse to accept this nonsense that someone like Mnangagwa, for example, can claim to be innocent of what all the looting, vote rigging and murders committed by Zanu PF all these years on the grounds that he was not Robert Mugabe. Mnangagwa was a very senior member of Zanu PF and he played his part in the looting, vote rigging and murders and received his share of the absolute power and the wealth. If he did not approve what was going on why did he take his share of the loot and, worse still, play his part in the criminal and treasonous acts!
You have elected to surgically separate the Shonas from everyone else in Zanu PF for your selfish tribal purposes. Whilst every thinking Zimbabwean is concerned with ending the Zanu PF dictatorship and replacing it with a healthy and functional democracy you are interested in promoting tribal hatred. If Zimbabwe is dragged into tribal blood bath then we all know people like you stroked the fire of hatred!
This is crisis management at its worst! A few weeks ago government had to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get foreign currency to buy fuel. Today the regime is running around like a headless chicken to find cash to buy drugs! How long can this go on.
Zanu PF blatant rigged the 30 July 2018 elections landing the whole nation into this mess. The situation is not going to get better, instead it will get worse. The only way out is for the regime to step down now before matters get out of hand!
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